Dina Wadia died today at the impressive age of 98. She was the only child of Muhammad Ali Jinnah, the founder of Pakistan - though there was a breach between the two when she did as her father did and married a non-Muslim. She strenuously avoided public attention. But after five years of striving, I managed to meet her in her apartment off Madison Avenue in New York in September 2002. I was in the US to cover the first anniversary of 9/11, and Dina said I could come over. She lived in the sort of exclusive apartment building where you didn't get into the lobby, never mind beyond it, unless you were expected. She wouldn't allow me to record an interview - she insisted nothing should be on-the-record - she wouldn't permit herself to be photographed ... though she relented as I was leaving, and let me take a photo of a life size, full length portrait of her painted in London in 1943 when she was expecting her son, the businessman Nusli Wadia. (Alas, the photo didn't come out too well.) With her death I am released from the bonds of confidentiality - and while there's nothing particularly surprising about what she said, I can at least set it down. I was struck as soon as she opened the door by her appearance. She was spry and petite, wearing bright red lipstick - and with her high cheekbones and aquiline nose, and somewhat imperious expression, she looked strikingly like her father. Indeed, I remember the shock of that first glance upon her - her father's daughter. Dina Wadia was charming and friendly. She showed me a photo of her beautiful mother, Rattanbai 'Ruttie' Petit, a Parsi, who died when her daughter was nine. She was brought up largely by her maternal grandmother. On her desk was a photo of her father. She spoke of her pride in Jinnah. Yes, they had quarelled over her marriage to Neville Wadia - who was born a Parsi but converted to Christianity - but they made it up, and often spoke and wrote to each other. She says her father rang her from Delhi to say "We've got it!" when he won the Muslim League's demand for Pakistan. Her own temperament and personality, she reckoned, came more from her father than her mother. Dina never made her home in Pakistan. She told me that Bombay was her city - though she has spent long periods in London as well as New York. She went to Pakistan for her father's funeral in 1948, and twice more to visit her Aunt Fatima, Jinnah's sister, but when we met she hadn't set foot in Pakistan since Fatima's death in 1967.
She said she had been invited many times, by Benazir Bhutto and others, but had persistently refused - she didn't want to be used as a mascot. She complained of leaders who had 'robbed' the country and warned that democracy hadn't flourished in any Muslim country. (Two years after we met, she did return to Karachi and visited her father's mausoleum as well as taking part in a touch of cricket diplomacy.) Dina ran through a checklist of independence era leaders - she had warm memories of Gandhi, who her father liked; she said that Sardar Patel was 'straight'; but she regarded Nehru as easily flattered and not her father's equal; while Mountbatten, she said, was simply 'untrustworthy'. As for Jinnah's reputation, and the manner in which he is commemorated across Pakistan, she told me she didn't like the way her father was 'worshipped'. And with that I was ushered out - but the memory of the encounter has remained with me, I made notes as soon as I got back to my New York hotel room and I have them in front of me as I write. I am sad to hear of her death. There was something remarkable about her - and with her passing, just about the last remaining link with South Asia's independence era leaders has been broken.
41 Comments
Asad
3/11/2017 23:26:42
Jinnah’s wife was converted muslim from Parsi before marriage with Jinnah. Their marriage was done like muslims. Even her (Jinnah’s wife Rettibai) funerals was completely done according Islamic norms and traditions. There’s notable evidence and proof present on it. I couldn’t understand why you people distort the history with your own opinion.
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AK
4/11/2017 01:51:55
It's not distorting the history, Asad. It's telling what "actually" happened.
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Dr D M Joshi
4/11/2017 11:01:24
Jinnah had no trouble using Islam to go down in History as preventer of humanizing Islam as that was what India doing even before British managed to overlord it. So Jinnah did give hoot to Islam to be called father of a country that has ended up everyone can see where
Umar Janjua
4/11/2017 08:15:01
Agree its truth, Rutanbai married and died as Muslim, and Baba was angry with dina on Shadi with Parsi, but these secular or atheists people try to twist history as it suits for their agenda
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Dr D M Joshi
4/11/2017 10:49:06
dina with lower case but Shadi and Baba with upper case; Was Baba that angry?
PD
3/3/2024 13:20:45
It is interesting to note that Dina didn’t want to move to Pakistan because she considered Bombay as her city. However, she had no issue in moving to New York City and live there for a long time.
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4/11/2017 10:42:44
Did Dina Wadia say why "democracy hadn't flourished in any Muslim country" ?
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Ghulam Suhrawardi
4/11/2017 11:40:25
People: Please pay respect to a person who was indeed a great man. Let's not get into Muslim, Hindu and Parsi thing. Mohammed Ali Jinnah, Dina and Fatima Jinnah were great people and good people. The entire sub-continent is screwed up. Rise of Hindutva is killing any decency in the area. Most Muslims being poor and uneducated (or Madrassah educated) do not know any better. Lets educate and bring them up to par with educated Brahmins, the world will change. Brahmins and the upper caste took the best out of the Mughals as well as the British. So they still remain up there and muddy the water instead of clearing it. Hindutva was created by the upper caste and RSS. The sheer hate against Muslims and other religions in India originated from rising Hindu nationalists for over 150 years.
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Dr D M Joshi
4/11/2017 12:33:59
How did Brahmins and the upper caste (Muslim or Hindu?) managed to take the best out of Muslim Mughals than Maulavis, Syeds, Ashrafs?
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Ghulam Suhrawardi
4/11/2017 14:25:03
Mr. Joshi:
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Zara
5/11/2017 17:54:08
I agree with you sir, this Gentleman seems very angry and is twisting the facts.
Kabir
18/3/2018 03:35:39
It’s so interesting to see everyone getting abused - Hindus, Hindutva, Nehru for disagreeing with Jinnah, Brahmins, British...everyone except this lawyer who brought about an Islamic state that today is a cancer on the rest of the world. The quicker this erroneous state is brought to an end the better off the lot of Indian Muslims.
Dr D M Joshi
4/11/2017 15:03:51
Abusing me, Brahmins or even British ( who did not put Jinnah in jail for calling Muslims to kill Hindus in 1946) is not going to bring Democracy to Muslims.
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Nia
4/11/2017 17:31:25
Poor Indians cannot get over partition and move on.
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Dr D M Joshi
4/11/2017 18:08:17
Good to know that you have a better living standard in Pakistan; I suppose compared with the part of family that did not move with those of you who did.
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Nia
4/11/2017 23:43:01
Mr.Joshi,
Zara
5/11/2017 17:56:35
How about the Hindu fundos we are on tv all the time making a fool of themselves ?
Dr D M Joshi
5/11/2017 05:28:29
What Yahya Bhutto did to Mujibur and Niazi Soldiers did to Pakistani citizens is East is well documented.
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Nia
5/11/2017 07:11:47
I sincerely wished that you could get a life and move on. Something in me almost feels sorry for you as you are passing your weekend trolling people on a somber occasion of death.
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Dr D M Joshi
5/11/2017 07:23:36
Why not list what Jinnah, Ayub, Yahya, Bhuttos, Sharifs, Mushy, ISI did for its people and Muslims besides propping up looters, rapists, mercenaries for petro-$$$, terrorists & now cheap labour for China?
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ashis banerjee
5/11/2017 09:17:59
I dunno why Pakis are always in the mystic process of illusion that Jinnah was a 'pure' Muslim, else how he can be termed as 'Pa' of their Nation!
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Dr D M Joshi
5/11/2017 15:30:49
Jinnah became Baba by causing millions to die violent death many of whom Muslims.
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Dr D M Joshi
5/11/2017 19:59:38
What do "Baba" kids tell his daughter on
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Yousaf Salli
6/11/2017 03:56:08
Dr Joshi aren't you the same and probably the only country which voted into power the killers of the father of your nation mahatma Gandhi. obviously if u don't have respect for your founding fathers how can you have respect for others
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Dr D M Joshi
6/11/2017 05:37:16
Brits left not so much of Gandhi, they left because their country was in ruin fighting Hitler.
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Maqsood Ahmed
6/11/2017 11:35:49
Quarrelling and using bad words against has become the mantra of most of the people on the Internet. Everyone knows including his strongest opponents during his life time, Innah was aman of principles and dignity. You can never prove any scandal against him.
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Dr D M Joshi
6/11/2017 11:53:06
Do causing millions die violent death count for "principles and dignity" ?
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Nia
6/11/2017 11:40:39
OMG! Mr. Joshi you are still commenting on the blog after 3-4 days. Did you forget to take your meds?. If not, please go and see your psychiatrist may be he needs to up your meds.
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Kabir
18/3/2018 03:45:28
Nia wow is that how you shut up debate in the cancerous Islamic state of Pakistan...or do critics end up in “enforced disappearance”
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Dr D M Joshi
18/3/2018 06:26:43
As to " quicker this erroneous state is brought to an end the better off the lot of Indian Muslims" may be they should thank Donald J Trump giving first real kick to Saudi clients. Both US and KSA have got entangled with their inner turmoil with no time to bail out ISI and Paki landlords.
Gurudev N
30/3/2018 16:32:18
Jinnah’s personal life is controversial and is at odds with his political career where he formulated the two nation theory and creation of Pakistan . Jinnah’s marriage to Ruttie implied that he was secular minded , then why would he , a man who married an non -Muslim woman and was friendly with non -Muslims want a Muslim State . He was foreign educated and not much of a practicing Muslim . He belonged to a well to family and was himself a successful lawyer , so why did he not marry any woman in his youth and instead choose to marry the young daughter of his friend when he was in his 40s’ is a mystery .
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Dr D M Joshi
30/3/2018 17:32:05
Case of Donald Trump is similar to Jinnah. Trump associated with Democrats but after seeing a Black becoming president and seeing how Republicans strived to make that Black one time president, Trump started his crusade,
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Ghulam Suhrawardi
31/3/2018 05:00:56
Joshi
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Dr D M Joshi
31/3/2018 08:44:46
Fortunately for Hindus there are some willing to die for secularism and have not run away from India,
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Habiba
10/10/2018 22:25:31
Dr D M Joshi,
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Dr D M Joshi
13/10/2018 08:27:54
Jinnah fell in hands of Muslim fundamentalists & gave call to start killing Hindus in 1946. Soon his creation fell in hands of Military Dictators. Islam that under Akbar and Sufi Saints was getting humanised went into direction that ultimately landed itself in hands of ISIS.Until kicked by Trump Pakistan became slave of USA & Saudis.Will it ever let Shia, Ahmediya, Sufi, Ismaili Muslims live there with dignity?
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Baris
21/10/2018 08:15:24
Can we leave picking the bones of a tainted past alone? I guess the deep distrust between the neighbouring continues to fuel conflicts. The divide and rule policy was neither used by Moghul nor Hindu rulers. Colonialism bred distrust as can be seen in colonial and post colonial texts, the only way to divide the Ganga- Jamuni syncretism, was to bring religion in. In this modern day and time shouldn’t we be letting go of the past unless we wish to politically contrive a similar genocide.
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Dr D M Joshi
1/11/2018 09:43:42
If what happened to Salman Taseer does not happen to Imran Khan may be Pakistnis who dealt with and deal with East Pakistanis and Shia will turn page, page that Jinnah opened for Mullas who are in Saudi pocket.
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SAMIR SARDANA
24/11/2023 17:03:45
THE PEOPLE OF PAKKISTAN SHOULD PRAY FOR JINNAH'S SOUL EVERY DAY - HE SAVED THEM FROM THE HELL HOLE OF INDIA !
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Rosey
13/12/2024 16:56:15
Let’s spread the religion of love
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